Apostolic Summit 2022- Session7

Session 7- Paul Botha

John Alley

3 prayers before speaking

  1. Bind spirits
  2. Submit to Lord, not trusting own ability, previous success
  3. Pray for spirit of understanding to be on the church

Prophetic pain

  • Much of sickness, pain comes from our own thinking, allowing demons to pull us down.
  • Some comes from criticism, accusation etc.
  • Some is a message from the Lord, a call to prayer. Pain in the body is symbolic of something. Praying for healing won’t work. Find what the message is, pray into it.

Paul Botha

What he is doing is only possible because of the foundation laid by John and Peace.

Peace Church is not just an apostolic community but a prophetic voice also.

The days that are coming are going to be substantially different. The West is on the precipice of change. The church can either lead the process or be taken over by the change.

The church before Pentecost was praying but they woke up the next morning and everything was changed. Empowered to change the world

1.What is the Apostolic?

Primary gifting- first in function.

Struggle for identity for apostles and for the church

Regional transformation. John 4. Samaritan woman.

City Elders – functional unity

Unless the church understands the times and invades the culture the nation will be radically different.

Current move of God :

Reset– dining saloon changed to troop carrier

Reposition – – church is being repositioned for mission. Culture responds to the gospel. Not nice Christians, hot Christians.

Reap

What are we meant to do about it?

Develop Father and Son relationships with functioning apostles

Apostolic Summit 2022 – Session 6

Session 6 – John Alley

Commission for this Summit is to revisit the core topics of Sonship and Community.

Central heart message of apostles will be about love.

1 Corinthians 13. Normal healthy apostolic life.

Need a major input of Grace that changes our heart.  Apostles are meant to help this happen.

Supernatural outpouring of love. Power to understand the length, breadth, depth, height of God’s love. This is the fullness of God.

5-fold work with apostles to raise church to relational maturity. Find the supernatural anointing of Holy Spirit that gives us greater love.

Chuck Clayton. Thoroughly unique. Full of love and wisdom. Made mistakes but God didn’t want John to make same mistakes.

Great prophet. Never felt anything so just talked and hoped it was God, but always accurate and powerful.

Great pastor. Loved people, pastors.

1 Thessalonians 1:2-5.  Paul walked in faith, hope and love. Known by his lifestyle. “You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.”

Too much in minds of some pastors is the desire to be the “big man.” Heart of apostle is to be a servant. Apostle has to teach pastors how to serve.

1 Thessalonians 2:1-12   Don’t let courage fail you in strife. Don’t fail to tell the truth when others have different opinions. Like a mother, gentle, not the “big man.”

V. 8 Not here to sell a product. Apostle is there to share himself with them. Power is not in healing the sick, but power to change the heart. That is what apostles are here for. Progressive work over time.

V. 11. Only now does Paul mention fathers. It is a gentle, giving grace.

Anointing by which community is built. After John released this anointing the church was changed. Cell groups started working, relationships healed.

Need both the teaching and the anointing. Knowledge and power.

Signs and wonders do not make you an apostle. An apostle seeks an answer to people’s problems and signs and wonders follow. It is gentleness and love.

Apostolic Summit 2022- Session 5

Session 5 – David Alley

What is apostolic message?

Apostolic message is not getting apostles back. It is about preaching the original message that the apostles taught.

People think they know what the Gospel is, but they don’t. We use the term apostolic to distinguish from institutional Christianity.

Where is it going?

To maturity! Doctrinal and relational.

Not about doctrinal purity. Love and accept one another even if we haven’t got the theology perfect.

The message helps us to attain place where we are one heart and one mind.

We need genuine apostles! Millions call themselves apostles. About 99% aren’t really apostles.

How do we know who the genuine apostles are?

No check list in Scripture

Heart test.

Revelation  2:1-2.

Jude 3-4,11

  1. Do they do it for God or themselves? (Cain)
  2. Do they have regard for brethren? (Cain)
  3. Are they promoting themselves? (Korah)
  4. Are they using the Lord to get money?

What do we need to do about it?

  1. Trust the apostles God has put in your life
  2. Give up your requirements to be recognised
  3. Make Prayer for the apostolic message regular part of your life.

Apostolic Summit 2022 Session 3

Session 3 – John Alley

Every part of the Christian walk needs a revelation of the heart. Tithing, Communion, Baptism of Holy Spirit, Baptism. Sonship etc.

John’s experience. Baptism of Holy Spirit brought love and authority as well as tongues.

Conversion brings love, forgiveness. Still tied to world even though we are changed.

Healing. He knew that it was real, could preach about it. There was no power until he had a revelation of the heart. When he got the revelation, the power to heal came.

Not just revelation as information. Power or grace is received. Grace is power. They can’t be separated.

Anointing, power, Spirit, grace all talk about the same thing.

Don’t assume that you have all the love you can have. There is a ladder of love. Love that passes all understanding.

Moses could not enter the Promised Land. The Law cannot bring you to Christ, only Christ can do this.

As big as the Pentecostal movement has become, the apostolic movement is built on it and is already bigger.

Juan Carlos Ortiz. We call each other brother because we are not. We are all potatoes-he scrubs us to get the dirt off then he takes the skin off, then he puts us in a pot with a bunch of other potatoes, and turns the heat up. But he loves mashed potato- crushes us to make us one.

We need an extra work of grace that makes us one.

2002. Realised all of a sudden that he belonged to Chuck, Chuck belonged to him. The spirit of Sonship came in. From that moment, all the barriers were gone. “At home.”

Jesus’s Prayer, “Father make them one” was answered.

Need a father to give love, honour and service. Not about receiving teaching but giving heart.

Father Son Relationship is the new wineskin for the structure of the church. Note: this is the same new wineskin that has been here for 2000 years. It is the container that enables us to carry the Spirit. The old wineskin was Judaism. The new wineskin is the church. Father and Son is the life, the apostolic grace.

Start as servant, but become beloved friends.

There is no Sonship without the giving of the heart. There is no Christianity without the giving of the heart.

Apostolic Summit 2022- Session 2

Session 2 – Darrell Roos

John Alley

What was it that made it possible for Elisha to receive double portion of Elijah’s spirit?

It was his longing for his spiritual father.

Cf. Paul’s longing to be with Timothy

I am here for him. He is not here for me.

Holiness, higher cleanness of heart, comes from our attitude to those who are over us in the Lord.

Darrell Roos

Everything is for, about and in Jesus.

Built a Cell church, but it imploded because it lacked an apostle.

He didn’t even know what an apostle was.

1994 asked Chris Peterson to be his apostle. Didn’t know about fathering, but he got it. Following year was asked to be AOG regional director. Didn’t want to but it was God.

Leaders accountable to Jesus for maturity of disciples. We have to have the apostles and prophets in the church, as well as the pastors, teachers, evangelists.

An apostle is both a general and a father.

Apostolic is not just about the apostle but about the heart of the people.

He did not understand sonship, but then started to see it everywhere in the Bible. He needed a spiritual father, but couldn’t find one. Began to believe it was not for him. Life changed when he realised Chris Peterson was a father to him.

2 Corinthians 11:2. Godly jealousy to present the church to Christ as a pure bride.

Many who were called to apostolic ministry but have turned back to re-embrace the pastoral model.

Mark 2:1-7. Paralytic lowed through the roof. Man got healed because the faith of 4 men. Like the 4 out of 5 fold ministry gifts. Need God to breathe on the apostles and raise them up.

Apostolic Summit 2022 – Session 1

Session 1- John Alley

“Kingdom Culture” is a phrase that is often used but not defined. Claimed that apostles will bring “Kingdom Culture”.

Something is missing in much teaching about the apostolic. People want to be “as one” but not be one.

Kingdom Culture

Nation of priests

Priesthood – represents God to men, men to God, offers sacrifices.

Ex 19:6 you shall be to me a kingdom of priests.

Rev 1:6. He has made us a people and priests

1 Peter 2:9

The believers were one in heart and mind Acts 4:32.

We must love one another as God has commanded

The more excellent way is the way of love and is the heart of the apostolic message, and of Kingdom Culture

When you get apostolic grace you move into higher levels of love.

The purpose of the moves of Holy Spirit is to bring maturity of love.

Apostles are here to move church from institutional to relational basis. This is the central purpose of apostolic movement.

Restoration of apostles is about the restoration of the apostolic nature of the church. It’s not about what we do but about how we relate. Submission is central.

You cannot come to maturity in Christ without a revelation of love. Without love, spirit of sonship and community we cannot get close to fullness of Christ. The role of apostles is to help church find this perfect love.

Reflection on 2 Timothy 4:1-8

Scripture

And now the prize awaits me – the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.

Observation

Paul urges Timothy to preach the word of God always, whether time is favourable or not. He is to patiently rebuke and encourage his people.

A time is coming when people will not want to listen to good teaching, but will look for teachers who will give the message they want to hear. They will reject truth and prefer myths.

Paul’s life is coming to an end, poured out like a drink offering to the Lord. He has fought the good fight and run the race. The Lord will reward him with a crown of righteousness, a prize that is not just for him, but for all who look forward to His coming.

Application

We have a huge future ahead of us. In our materialistic culture we find it so hard to think of anything beyond this physical life. But there is so much more that awaits us.

There is a prize for finishing the christian race. If we persevere to the end, we will get to heaven. We will enter an eternity of life and joy in the presence of God.

What we perceive dimly and occasionally we will see completely and for ever. The presence of God, which we experience sometimes with great excitement and as a concrete reality but other times we struggle to even think about, it will become as real as the sun and the moon. The light of God will outshine the noonday sun every day.

One day we will enter into God’s welcome, “Well done good and faithful servant.” What a great joy that will be.

Prayer

Thank you Lord for the assurance of eternal life and eternal happiness in your presence. Please help me to remember this coming prize even when my life is a struggle. Amen.

WHAT MAKES A CHURCH GROW? UK RESEARCH SHOWS IT IS ENTHUSIASM FOR EVANGELISM

From “Eternity

There is a definite pattern in which church networks or denominations are declining or growing in the United Kingdom according to statistician John Hayward, a retired university maths lecturer.

His paper has been covered by The Times and reproduced by Christian websites like Anglican.ink.

Some churches are growing numerically in the UK, Hayward finds.

He has used the last five years of statistics to calculate the growth rate for churches. He finds that the Free Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) is growing slowly at less than 1 per cent a year, and the Vineyard network (a pentecostal network) is growing the fastest at 6 per cent a year.

Most of the churches founded before 1900 are declining – United Reformed at more than 4 per cent and the Church of England and Methodists at about 3 per cent a year.

“Both decline and growth rates have stayed constant over many decades,” Hayward writes. “I could have presented a similar chart 20 years ago! The main factor in church decline is the lack of conversions. These churches then get older, and their losses get worse due to higher death rates. Why have the declining churches been unable to increase conversions? How have the growing churches been able to sustain conversions?”

It is about enthusiasm

We have become used to the statistical language of an “R” rate during Covid. Hayward uses membership numbers to calculate the “R” rate for churches.

“For churches, I call it the ‘Reproduction Potential’. If this number is less than one, enthusiasts fail to reproduce themselves, conversions are too weak and the church dies out (the shaded region, figure 2). If the reproduction potential is greater than one, conversions are strong enough to counter losses and the church may grow.”

This graph is based on membership stats from 2000 to 2020.

How many people get converted depends on what he calls the “Limited Enthusiasm Model”. To stretch the Covid analogy, this indicates how many Christians are infectious spreaders of the good news.

“Three churches are increasing their numbers of enthusiasts: FIEC [Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches, conservative evangelicals [similar to the Australian group of the same name], Newfrontiers [Pentecostal] and the Elim Pentecostal Church,” Hayward notes. “Although their R numbers are only just over one, that is typical for social diffusion. If they maintain this potential to convert, they could reach five times their current number by the end of the century. But they would have to keep this value for 80 years. Quite a challenge!”

Will some churches cease to exist?

Hayward predicts most pre-1900 churches are in big trouble and headed for extinction. He sees the Baptists and the Church of England as the best placed to survive in this group, but with significantly reduced numbers.

He believes it is possible to predict extinction dates for one group of churches: those which are ageing.

“Membership data for ageing churches follow a downward straight line. [The graph below] shows a typical straight-line decline, predicting the United Reformed Church will become extinct by 2038.

Churches with an R number less than one have time to turn around before extinction. Hayward suggests urgent prayer for revival. The Baptists and Open Brethren have until the end of the century. Catholics and the Church of England until 2060 or so.

The flavour of the church affects decline and growth

According to Hayward’s stats, the evangelical denominations and networks are more likely to grow, and more liberal/progressive ones decline.

All the evangelical groups in Hayward’s lists of denominations and networks are growing, bar the brethren. Mixed (liberal/progressive and evangelical) and liberal/progressive churches are declining. In the graph, he has analysed the relative amount of evangelical presence in the mixed churches, and there appears to be a connection between growth and decline.

Hayward believes that God’s blessing may shift from older denominations to fresher proclaimers of the gospel.

“These products of the Reformation and Puritan times have run their course. They have fulfilled God’s purposes and are no longer part of his plan. The Church of England will cease to be a national church, and the Churches of Scotland and Wales will disappear by the middle of this century. Instead, God will work through the next cycle of denominations – Pentecostal and evangelical ones – picking up the pieces left by the extinct historic churches.”